JR - you can blame the site but I think it is not AP or UB, any more than it is FT or Stars when people blame those sites - I think it happens every day on every site - it is poker. Perhaps the reason such long odds seem to happen so often online is because many many more hands are played online than at regular poker tables. When you are not catching or holding up or running well, that's the way it goes. I am in an amazing bad slump myself right now, but I expect it will change and I always find the people and the competitive play of the NDB tournaments great entertainment for the few dollars at risk.