what a joke

[ReiperXHC]

You shouldn't find it that hard to believe. Not everybody playing is trying to be in the WSOP. A lot of people just like to get together and play some cards. And consider that most of these people haven't gone and read a few poker books and then go on to think that there's only 1 way to play. There is not. There are fantastic players who know how and when to play lots of hands.

I personally am very glad I found my way to this group of players. I've already made some friends, and I now have other players with whom I can discuss various ways of poker thinking and new strategies.

Word of advice. Rejoice in the bad players and gladly relieve them of all their money.

I wasn't there either, but I can tell you what you did wrong in whatever hand you were talking about. You didn't fold. End of story.

Don't take it out on everybody else just because you either A. Made a bad decision or B. Got drawn out on. It happens to everybody and it'll always happen. It's the nature of the game.

If this truly is your attitude, I think this forum will be better off without you.

Just my 2 cents.

-Reip

[coachkf]

Originally Posted by achipnachair

You said: I dont care if it is a freeroll or a 10k buyin any good player will play to win each and everytime. Anyone that doesnt is just a fool.

Then you said: All i am saying is that a large crowed of bad players is not enjoyable or as fun as a small group of good players.

The first part makes sense. You sound like a good poker player. Good poker players are naturally aggressive and want to win. Can't keep the competitive juices from flowing. I just keep things in perspective and know that the vast majority of players in those events are there for the social aspect, and I don't ruin it for them by trying to coach them about how bad their play is.

The 2nd part makes you sound like a losing poker player though. Good poker players want to play bad poker players. I don't know any truly good poker players who would rather play against other good players. In fact, the only players I have ever met who said something similar (hate playing bad players), were actually very mediocre players or worse, bad players themselves because of serious tilt issues.

If your goal is to win money at poker, then you seek out weaker players to play against. If you can't agree with that, then you're not near as good as you think you are. Sorry.. just a fact.

I don't know you, but I think you probably are a solid player who is better than 90% of the freeroller type players when you're in control of your emotions. Your weakness is probably extreme tilt? You take a bad beat to a "social" player, and then go nuts. (quitting forums, cussing the 'idiots' at the table, etc.) If you could learn to control your emotions and count those bad beats as "sklansky dollars", you'd be even more profitable.

Are you a positive poker earner? Actually keep track of it with something like Poker Tracker?

I'm not trying to offend you in this post. I just question why someone who claims to be "good" would not understand one of the simplest fundamental concepts in winning poker. That being: play weaker opponents than yourself.

There's an old quote and I forget exactly how it went, but the summary is: It doesn't matter if you're the 9th best player in the world. If the other 8 players at your table are #1 through #8 in the world, you're the fish.

The only argument I can see supporting your opinion is the "schooling effect". Heard of it? I can explain, but don't want to bore everyone.

[Mattchew]

Originally Posted by ReiperXHC

You shouldn't find it that hard to believe. Not everybody playing is trying to be in the WSOP.-Reip

...well put

[Bonnaroo]

Mark, you have got to be joking. You have (for 4 years) whined and stomped your feet when you lose a hand. This is a great group. Since you are so professional at poker......get out there and win that money, then SHIP IT TO ME where it belongs!!! You know what I mean. Good luck out there?

[KillFace]

Being brand new to this forum, and not playin any tourneys yet because i cant afford the "dollar menu cheesburger" buy ins (how sad is that?), i cant rate anybodys game. But if what you say is true and theyre all donks, then why quit? If thats the way i saw this group (or any other) i'd be drooling at the prospect of all the dead money out there waiting to be raked in every tourney.

Being an exclusive freeroller cause of no money, i understand the frustration of playing against weaker players. In the long run you'll take their bankroll everynight, but in a tourney all it takes is for one of them to hit their 5% on the river and trip on on your two pair, go runner runner to hit their flush against your flopped straight, or just call down your bluffs with bottom pair, and youre out and bitching. I know the feeling very well! "It's only a freeroll" has become a common substitution for "I'm a bad player, sorry to have sucked out on you" Point is, youre gonna get "bad beats" from players who shouldnt have either been in the hand in the first place, or who didnt know better than to get out of it when the odds were against them. But if you just KNOW that everybody at your table is a fish, and youre baitin the hook for em every single damn pot, dont be surprised when one of those fish bites your hand off when youre pulling them in. It happens. "Thats poker" (another annoying overused cliche for a bad play)

So rub some dirt on it and get back in the game!

p.s. Theres already a Poker Brat out there. God knows we dont need another one!

[dmoney644]

Well How True Is That?

"There Is Already 1 Pokerbrat. We Don't Need Another One." lol

All I Can Say Here Being A Newbie Myself, Is Yes, Some Of The Bad Beats That Happen To You Are Pretty Ridiculous, But, To Truely Be A A Better Player, You Have To Know How To Let Go Of Those Moments Where You Lost, And Re Group For the Next Game.

There's Nothing Worse Then Someone Who Wants To Tell You How You Should Play Every Hand. The Way I See It, Any 2 Cards Are Possible Of Winning Pre Flop, And If Someone Decides To Play 7 2 offsuit, More Power To Them.

I Don't Know Anything That Happened That Night, But I Can Say This:

I GUARENTEE You That You Did Not Buy Them Into That Game.

You Can Be Mad At Someones Play, But Bad Sportsmanship And Wanting To Tell Everyone That They Suck, Just Makes You Just As Bad.

I'd Rather Play with 100 Fish And Donks, Then To Play With Someone Who Is Gonna Cry About Losing Everytime.

[QUADLADY]

That sometimes it is hard for people who are going through a ruff patch in there life to be in the small buy in games. I personally am one of those people. I don't have money to really be playing the way I like. So when I have 10 that a close friend of mine has given me to play with....it gets hard when the people who have the money to lose play very loose. It is hard to swallow when your trying to play the best that you can. I can still have fun playing one of the best games I can for a 1.00.
I also am TRYING to be patient and not fly off the handle in those games when someone is going all in every hand or raises every hand when its heads up. It can be difficult though. This group has some of the best players on line there is and it is a group that I have a lot of respect for and enjoy playing with. But it can be hard to swallow.
I try to play the best I can no matter the size of buy in. Why? Because I want to learn and grow in my game. That's just me though and this post is just my thoughts.

[Roadawg]

I belong to a few different forums and everyone has it's donks but they play mostly in the freerolls never bothering to play any of the buy ins. Now I've only been a member here for a couple of months and have played in a few tournys in which I've never seen a player the kind you saw in your game at any of the tables I was on. I don't understand people who bitch when they get beat by someone on the river card. Isn't there suppose to be five cards on table that you use with the cards in your hand. Don't remember anything about only use first three and if someone raises your suoppose to fold your hand. I've played different cards at times like others have said you might have pissed me off sometime in game or I just have a feeling the two cards in my hand are going to get help on the flop. So you would call Doyle a donk to his face because he likes 7 2 as whole cards, that I would love to see.If each player only played top pair we'd just take turns winning hands and be bored out of our mind. Also this is gambling right, and there is no guarantee that you will win just because you have AA and think all else should bow down before you, people who whine and bitch when they get beat playing poker should quit and never play again, because you know it's going to happen again and again that someone will catch his card on the river and beat you. Any two cards can witn the pot long as you get help from other five on table.

[SleasyAce]