Rob said this would be an educational

[LDJ]

oh this was a cash game.... instafold

I hate getting it in in cash games with hands that are easily dominated... as for assuming a raiser in plo8 has AAxx you are way off base. You should assume they have A2xx, in which case your chasing a dead low with a very vulnerabl flush draw. Your best shots are hitting a str8 which is still very vulnerable unless its the nut str8.

I have to say that, unless you have the read of a lifetime, you are putting money in here with a hand thats nowhere close to the nuts or a draw to the nuts (except a 1 outer str8 flush draw) and in O8 drawing to the 9th nuts is another way of saying you lost your stack.

You got lucky Rob, but that's poker sometimes. I have to admit I am ocassionally guilty of making calls that others would lay down but normally its because I have a good read on a player or a plan to try and take it away on a later street.

[thejudge]

It looks to me as if u got very lucky Rob ......If u keep calling raises with hands like that u will lose a lot....u just got lucky....Doesn't happen all the time.

[Aruba Rob]

Hey LDJ,

I see you didn't realize it was cash, lost my only lukewarm supporter, lol. I assume you also realized it was limit and not pot limit. Pot limit it is an easy fold I agree.

Couple questions for you.

1) Ok, should have folded preflop. But assume the preflop call is made. Are you ok with the way its played from there on?

2) You said the more likely holding in PLO8 is A2xx. How often do you raise preflop with A2xx? I lose way more often pushing A2xx, I have had much better results calling preflop then pushing with that.

Thanks for the feedback.

[LDJ]

argh my reply disappeared.. there's 10 mins of my life I will never get back.... now Im off to work

[alby_00]

Limit... cash O8...i see not a lot wrong with robs play.. I also assume alot of players are raising w AA.. Because I see alot of players raise with AA in low limit O8.. if you assume the raiser has AA then calling a preflop raise with this hand is reasonable..I probably fold here. Thats why I don't play limit.. It is very often right to chase.. after the flop there is no way to get away from that hand in limit. Maybe a little loose pre-flop. But with you correctly assuming she had AA it was a decent call. and after that in limit I don't see how you can fold on the flop or turn.

[LDJ]

I play a LOT of FL and I love people who chase because they think its the correct move in FL

[LDJ]

Lets try this another way, you put 3.5BB into a pot trying to win 9BB... do you honestly think your hand is good enough preflop to SCOOP 1 in every 2.5 tries?

I dont think that hand wins 40% of the times, therefore your play is a losingplay, especially since you put your opponent on AA which means you are conceding they are ahead. As for putting opponents on AA, most players are playing hands like A2, A3, 32, etc, so you are losing the low most of the time and were damn lucky this time that it wasnt AA2x-AA5x you were up against.

Honestly, your hand is a better hand to play in PLO (regardless of what most people are saying) because you can call for 1 or 2 BBs preflop and drop the hand if you miss, whereas if you hit your implied odds are WAY bigger against AA than it is in FL.

All these people who insist that chasing is the way to go in FL miss the fact that your implied odds suck, so you are chasing after some crap 7th nuts hand and are often paying far more to draw than you can expect to gain bac over time.

THe types of hands you chase in FL are usually the pairs with backdoor flush and str8 draws, etc... but in FLO8 where the nuts and near nuts are the usual winners its senseless to chase some mid flush or str8 unless you put the other player on some sort of a hand where you think you can move them off their holdings.

[Aruba Rob]

Thanks for all the post and view points, definitely helpful in analyzing my play. Thanks for the last post LDJ, had not looked at it from that perspective. Definitely not scooping enough, however you do have to consider the split pots as well. But you right, It looks like a -EV over the long haul. Thanks again everyone. Sorry for the confusing on it being fixed, since I kept typing PLO in the original post.

[LDJ]

You are welcome and I do not know how many times I have posted a play I was POSITIVE was the correct play, but later I had to concede I was mistaken.

Just ask my wife.