Cheating Bots found on FT

[islandtime2]

Checkout the below article about Bots found on fulltilt:

http://www.pokertableratings.com/blo...-banned-on-ftp

If they are on FullTilt what are the chances they are on UB? Pretty good I think. I actually complained to UB security ealier this month about a player named "Nahodka" who plays just like a bot - for those who do not know the bots typically buy in for a low amount (i.e. $10 on a .25/.50 ring game), are unable to engage in conversation, and either fold or go allin with pairs and the rest of the top 5 hands - that is it. Since that is all they can do they typically leave a table after winning a couple and then may show up later buying back in for the standard $10 again. I have had other folks at tables say "Oh he's just a super multi-tabler". I suppose that is possible but seems unlikely to me especially in light of what is going on at FullTilt. Anyway UB just told me that UB does not allow bots so therefore he must not be a bot - huh!?

Anyone know Nahodka personally that can state he/she/it is not a bot? If not maybe we should start a thread of suspected UB bots and send it periodically to UB.

[ninixnini]

this is a big story all over the internet do a google search
ive been reading about it for the last couple of days very depressing
yes there are bots on UB

[UIIIU]

No it is not depressing its very good news Ive been complaining to fulltilt and ap/ub about these shanky tech bots or bonus bots or whatever the hell you want to call them for a long time now. Even know for the most part they are not crushing the game it pisses me off that ppl are even winning micro stakes when they do nothing but run a bot. Im sure I was not the only one who complained but in till now NO ONE has had an account banned running these things on full tilt. I also gave them the heads up the program either masks itself as calc.exe or paint.exe on the comps processes so if you did scan someones comp nothing fishy would come up.

I also want to add one thing, they did it too themselves, sending out newsletters everyweek linking graphs as to how good their bots are doing just taunting ppl to do something, extremely dumb marketing and I hope these closures continue and put an end to shanky bots

the bots homepage is www.bonusbots.com (apparently Ive been blocked from the site says im forbidden anyone else get this, its prolly because I emailed them laughing my ass off). Now you state that the bots usually just fold or go all in now Id say the very basic bots are doing this but shanky tech bots do play solid poker from what ive seen and if they took players past actions into account I would say theres no stopping it and I would prolly jump on the bandwagon because they would crush 90% of the games if not all oof them. Now you claim this Nahodka is a bot well it is suspicion the 330k hands hes played in 2 and a half months, but the all in or fold tactic while buying in for min at .25/.50 table is a very common tactic and I know for certain not all of them are bots. But there are most definitely bots on UB considering many programs support the room out of the box and I have not heard of AP/UB ever taking action against a bot, but the cereus network is full of a bunch of followers so I wouldnt be surprised if they follow FT with laying down the ban hammer


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This was the email I sent them in March

I thought you would like to see this email I got from a popular bot site that is around nowadays. Its just funny how nothing is being done when they are so blatantly being used on your room. Im not saying they will be nearly as effective as top players anytime soon but the fact that they are advertising challenges for bots aimed directly at your site upsets me greatly. I play on full tilt because you guys are the best but it really angers me that you will take no action against these ppl using automated machines to play for them. I know it makes the room more money but for the 98% of people who are not using any type of bot or banned software, I think we deserve some protection from these programs running.


Now I know its tough to detect but all you need to find out is what .exe the program is running as and ban it.


I know serious players do not have to worry but me being slightly better than a break even player I really need to put the time in and to see people making the same money just sitting and running some program really bugs the hell out of me


I just hope you guys are working on some future security updates that will take care of these bots or possibly take action on a select few to strike some kind of fear into the users


thanks for your time,
Keith Hartley

--- On Mon, 2/22/10, bonusbots@yahoo.com <bonusbots@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: bonusbots@yahoo.com <bonusbots@yahoo.com>
Subject: Update on Pokerbot Challenges
To: keith88x@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 2:23 AM


Greetings poker sharks,

We wanted to take time to update you on the two ongoing "Rags to Riches" challenges that are happening in our support forum. Things are getting kind of exciting with them, and I think there are some important lessons we could all learn from these case studies. Especially regarding proper bankroll management and what is possible to achieve when you follow a disciplined set of rules.

In case you are not familiar with this, a Rags to Riches challenge is where an online poker player starts with zero bankroll and plays freeroll tournaments until they win a prize, then follows very strict bankroll management rules with that money attempting to increase it over time. Professional poker player Chris Ferguson is credited for originating this concept, with his famous personal challenge where he turned $1 into more than $20,000 in a matter of months. A poker-bot Rags to Riches challenge does it all by using the bot of course.

We have two such poker bot challenges taking place in our forum at the moment, each of which have gathered quite a following. Both were started purely from the inspiration of the person pursuing the challenge. Member cosmo27 is using the Holdem Bot, and member Royal is using both of our Omaha Bots. Both started with zero funds. We thought you might like to know how they are doing.

Member cosmo27 began his challenge on Dec. 30th, less than two months ago. Even though he won money the very first day, he still had a bit of a sputtering start. Getting past the first few dollars won from the freerolls playing NL Holdem MTT's was indeed a challenge for him. He finally got over the $1 mark on January 14, when he went straight to $20 and hasn't looked back since. Cosmo is now sitting on about a $250 bankroll. You can see a chart of his progress so far here:

http://img175.imageshack.us/i/pok.jpg/

Now maybe you think that is no big deal (almost two months later only having $250). But remember, he started with nothing. Zero out of pocket expense for poker chips, and the bot does all the work. Keep in mind that this challenge is still in the beginning stages as well. Perhaps, however, you will be a bit more impressed with the progress of the other challenge.

Royal started his Omaha Rags to Riches challenge on September 20, exactly 5 months ago. He had the same mis-starts and stutters that cosmo27 experienced getting passed the free-rolls in the beginning. But like cosmo, he persevered until he got past them and kept working the system. Right now, at last count, he was sitting on a bankroll just shy of $5,000 and is playing in the major FTOPS events. Starting from nothing, and using the bot to play all the events.

What's even more ironic is that his bot actually sat next to Chris Ferguson in one of the FTOPs events he just played! You can read the entire saga of both these challenges at our support forum on these two threads:

http://bonusbots.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1262129118

http://bonusbots.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1253422121

You need to be logged in to access them. If you are not yet a forum member, just shoot us an email with a desired username and password and we will be happy to register you.

That's it for now. Have fun reading those threads, and possibly starting your very own Rags to Riches challenge. Who knows, by the end of the year you might be sitting on a $10,000 poker bankroll starting with nothing. Playing MTT's and staying within your bankroll is certainly a proven way to get there - with or without a bot. It's just that with a good bot (like ours), it's a heck of a lot easier.

Sincerely,

Shanky Technologies Team

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[ninixnini]

from what i read and this could be wrong but full tilt did not find these bots the owner of shanky gave them his customers ips. he had some kind of deal with full tilt and was getting comission on the rake his bot customers were paying. it was all very complicated and convulued but full tilt has known about these bots for a long time. they took action now because there were so many at the microstakes that they were destroying the games. that is why full tilt took action because it was in full tilts best interest not out of concern for its customers honest poker players. from what i have read the only site with meaningful bot detection and prevention is poker stars

[UIIIU]

I find that hard to believe fulltilt would not knowily promote ppl playing with bots when its clearly stated that its against the rules. I feel if this was true it would be worse than the potripper scandal. But I havent heard the full story either

[ninixnini]

keith

i read all this in a reputable place. most of it was from a former botter who has reformed. that is why i made the comment about the situation being depressing

[jsawe]

In the article I read the player boasted he had taken FT for $220K and that FT was looking into the matter.

[ninixnini]

full tilt is a poker site it makes its money from rake and fees so the botter didnt take full tilt for 220k the botter took other poker players (the majority of who are honest players) for 220k. The issue is whether/when full tilt knew about these bots and whether full tilt was in a conspiracy with the owner of the bot company. From what i have read (many hours of reading) i believe full tilt was in a conspiracy to commit fraud with the owner of the bot company.
I do not want anyone to take my word for this but if u care do some research and read as much as u can and come to your own conclusions.

[UIIIU]

From what Ive heard Full tilt has known about the bots for a while but only now has decided to take action. Found absolutely nothing on them making a deal with the full tilt owners. Wouldnt make any sense throw like 5 million players under the bus for like 2k ppl, I feel like a multi billion dollar room would be slightly smarter than that

[TeUnit]

I have got money several times from FT for players "cheating" but none recently

Seems like the "lazy bots" get caught quick

gl at the tables,

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