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[kardmania]

http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/full-t...hearing-20125/

This does not look as if it can end well without a lot of intervention

Probably more important to find a new solar power firm to invest in

[lunarphase]

Amazing just when I think I'm drawing dead this article comes out.

http://www.subjectpoker.com/2011/09/french-investors/

[kardmania]

http://www.subjectpoker.com/2011/09/ftp-civil-amended/

After I saw this a couple of days ago I figure all the unpaid dollars are even less apt to be returned.

It is remarkable to me that the DOJ seems not to care about the border, any illegal immigration, and or fraud by solar energy and networking firms close to the regime.

They do have time to worry about internet poker and supplying the Mexican Drug cartels with arms.

It just continues to get uglier.

We should have forgotten poker and just spent time bundling donations for BHO.

[jsawe]

kard - if the DOJ allegations are proven true - this is exactly what I want them to be doing. $360 million rip-off would put the FTP people in a pretty good league of fraudster (although pikers compared to the billions plus ripped off by bankers in 2008). If nothing else, it may result in other sites cleaning up their act.

[kardmania]

For starters this is still less than was stolen from taxpayers by Solyndra.

The inference of the DOJ marketing campaign against online poker is that the perps are being held.

The fearless leader, Eric Holder, last I heard was delivering remarks to the European Parliament’s Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs. I have a feeling that is as much a ponzi scheme as the online poker allegations. Why are US tax dollars being used to pay for this Brussels vacation and politics?

I am curious as to which prisons are currently holding the alleged ponzi schemers and how many dollars have been recouped. I wonder if the BHO bundler who helped Solyndra will be housed in similar accomodations.

I enclose the DOJ statement from their web site from May 2011 suggesting that the poker players would be getting their money back.

Please Enjoy and appreciate why I am dubious:

United States Attorney
Southern District of New York
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
MAY 11, 2011
CONTACT:
U.S. ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
ELLEN DAVIS, CARLY SULLIVAN,JERIKA RICHARDSON, EDELI RIVERAPUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE
(212) 637-2600
UNITED STATES ENTERS AGREEMENT WITH ONLINE POKER
COMPANY REGARDING RETURN OF FUNDS TO U.S. PLAYERS
Agreement Will Facilitate Absolute Poker Returning Funds
to U.S. Players
PREET BHARARA, the United States Attorney for the
Southern District of New York, announced today that the United
States entered into an agreement with Absolute Poker, one of the
three online poker companies named as defendants in an April 15
civil money laundering and forfeiture Complaint (the "Civil
Complaint"), alleging bank fraud, wire fraud, money laundering,
and illegal gambling offenses. The Complaint, a related
Indictment, and a related Restraining Order issued against
multiple bank accounts utilized by the companies and their
payment processors do not prohibit the companies from refunding
players’ money. And today’s agreement will provide assurances to
third parties working with Absolute Poker in its legitimate
efforts to return funds to U.S. players.
Manhattan U.S. Attorney PREET BHARARA said: "With this
agreement, all three of the companies that allegedly engaged in
the operation of illegal internet gambling businesses, as well as
massive wire fraud, bank fraud, and money laundering, are moving
forward with the process of returning the funds they owe to their
U.S. customers. As with the other two companies we named in the
Complaint, Absolute Poker has at all times been free to reimburse
any player’s deposited funds. This Office expects the companies
to return the money that U.S. players entrusted to them. And as
today’s agreement continues to demonstrate, we will work with the
poker companies to facilitate the return of funds to such
players."
Under the terms of the agreement with Absolute Poker,
the company agreed that it would not allow for, facilitate, or
provide the ability for players located in the United States to
play online poker for "real money" or any other thing of value.
The deposit of funds by U.S. players is expressly prohibited. In
addition, the agreement does not prohibit and, in fact, expressly
allows for, Absolute Poker to provide for, and facilitate,
players outside of the United States to engage in playing online
poker for real money. The Agreement also requires the
appointment of an independent Monitor to verify Absolute Poker’s
compliance, and gives whatever necessary assurances to any third-
party entities working with Absolute Poker to facilitate its
return of funds to U.S. players. The Agreement does not provide
for the restoration of the domain names used by Absolute Poker
that had been seized as part of this case.
An Indictment was unsealed in Manhattan federal court
on April 15, 2011, charging eleven defendants, including the
founders of the three largest Internet poker companies doing
business in the United States - PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker, and
Absolute Poker (the "Poker Companies") - with conspiracy to
commit bank and wire fraud, money laundering, and illegal
gambling offenses. The United States also filed a Civil
Complaint against the Poker Companies, their assets, and the
assets of several payment processors for the Poker Companies. In
addition, a restraining order was issued against multiple bank
accounts utilized by the Poker Companies and their payment
processors. The Government did not restrain any players’
accounts. Five Internet domain names used by the Poker Companies
-pokerstars.com; fulltiltpoker.com; absolutepoker.com;
ultimatebet.com; and ub.com - also were seized. As alleged in
the Indictment and Civil Complaint, the Poker Companies
collectively obtained approximately $3 billion in proceeds as a
result of their illegal activities.
Assistant U. S. Attorneys SHARON COHEN LEVIN, MICHAEL
LOCKARD and JASON COWLEY are in charge of the civil money
laundering and forfeiture actions, and Assistant U.S. Attorneys
ARLO DEVLIN-BROWN and NICOLE FRIEDLANDER are in charge of the
criminal case.
11-129 ###
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Past performance is indicative of future performance.

Just so we are clear if in fact the DOJ has a real case that this is a ponzi scheme I would like to see the facts spelled out clearly.

If this is mere politics and posturing that is delaying the return of funds to US players in order to satisfy certain strong Nevada interests; we will not know until there is new political leadership in place.

[kardmania]

Originally Posted by jsawe

kard - if the DOJ allegations are proven true - this is exactly what I want them to be doing. $360 million rip-off would put the FTP people in a pretty good league of fraudster (although pikers compared to the billions plus ripped off by bankers in 2008). If nothing else, it may result in other sites cleaning up their act.

Please note how the DOJ and the AG operate. If Barry Bonds spends a day in jail Eric HOlder should be his cellmate.

Who deserves our trust?

The time wasted thus far has just allowed US player dollars to be paid out to the non US players and non trustworthy management.