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Old 07-17-2008, 01:59 PM
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Pay attention to the player. If he seems to always be betting after he raises pre-flop he's probably bluffing a lot. Sometimes if the board permits, (say 437 flop) it might be okay to re-raise him.

Be careful if you're in tournament play and he has a much larger chip stack than you, sometimes they'll call just cuz they can.

If someone takes a long time to think before they fire out a bet, usually either they're trying to sucker you into calling by trying to make themselves look weak, or they have some kind of a good draw that they're trying to figure out their "odds". Either way, it's usually a good idea to fold. (Unless you have the nuts or a draw to the nuts.)

Careful with calling a fast better. Some people just bet quickly all the time.

Just keep a close eye on what hands they play and how often they bet/raise.

Since we're online, the only thing you can really do is figure the odds of wether someone has it or not. (if you notice they bluff a lot.)

Hope this helps, and if someone has other opinions, please feel free to contradict what I have said about this.

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Old 07-19-2008, 04:31 PM
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After rading all these responses i just want to add- be wary of the experienced player who knows how he's percieved at the table. Maybe even goes out of his way to make his habits known, i.e. showing bluffs, showing after making losing calls in showdowns, chatting after a show. If im playing in a 2 table s n g or in a tourney i know i might not be moved for awhile, i'll pay to give the image to the table that im a bluffin reckless donk (not too much mind you, but enough times to get the message across). Just so i can now set the trap and wait for a monster, bet the same way as before, and rake in the chips from everyone who was just SURE i was full of it. It's common practice, nothing new on my part, but something not alot of new players are aware of. So although its extremely imortant to keep track of opponents betting patterns, you cant risk your tourney on it sometimes.

Old saying: "Theyll forgot what hands you won with after a little while, but theyll NEVER forget the hands you bluffed. Use that to your advantage!"
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Old 07-30-2008, 12:02 AM
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Old 08-12-2008, 02:20 AM
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The best "tell" online is bet sizing. Most players will fall into a very predictable pattern. Here are a couple of common ones:

Massive overbet / all in. Probably the most common one. Most novice players will never shove all in with a great hand on the river. They'll sucker bet (make a bet they think is small enough that you will call). Conversely, there are a LOT of new players whose all in screams bluff.

1/3rd or 1/2 of the pot size bet. Say there is $10 in the pot, they'll bet $3 to $5 on the river, hoping you'll dump your hand unless it's at least fairly decent. With a smaller bet like this, it doesn't have to work that much to show an overall profit.

If you pay attention and take good notes, you'll be amazed at the betting patterns you can begin picking up on your opponents over time. Imagine how well you could play against a player if you knew that 90% of the time he was going to do the following with these hands:

Raise the minimum with AA or KK. Raise 5x the big blind with AK/QQ/JJ. All in with TT or 99. Limp with pairs 8 and under, and suited connectors. Throw away most other hands.

If you can nail a guy down to his starting hands based on his bet sizes, he's practically playing you with his cards face up!

This is the only post i could agree with. Many of the other players say go with your instinct. As you were saying though you were folding when you should have won and calling when your behind. There are many ways to deal with a player and reason I agree with the above is because not only betting patterns give away 'tells' but allow the bluff gives away more info than any. Perhaps a example is in order.
If you only play a single session with a player such as your typical sng or mtt format you cant go off player patterns you need to go off setups. Arg this is hard to explain for me.... Im rambling... But set your opponet up. Think before you check or call. Plan the previous streets ahead of time.

when headsup and boards are dangerous such as flush and st8 draws watch for action to slow. When boards are weak watch for more bluffs and be ready to bluff. I pick up alot of 'loose change' on paired boards ect but soon as i meet resistance i slow.


Ok This post took 20mins and I am not gonna proof read it due to the fact its 3am here and im tired. I will make more sense in my next posts. If you wanna skype lets
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Old 08-21-2008, 05:05 PM
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I should also mention that the 1/3 to 1/2 rule doesn't always apply. I almost always raise 3X the BB +1X for every limper that was in before me no matter if I'm trying to steal or if I actually do have a hand. And post flop, if I'm going to bet, I almost always make it between 1/2 to 1/3 the pot. Again it doesn't matter if I've flopped the nuts, am drawing, am bluffing, etc...

It's great because it puts pressure on my opponents and they never know if I'm bluffing or not.

I wouldn't worry about it too much though...I've noticed that there are few players online who have the discipline to play this way, just be careful if you're heeding the advice a few posts earlier and you notice someone who is very consistent with these kinds of bets...like me.

Good luck at the tables.

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Old 10-16-2008, 05:53 PM
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With online poker, there is no way to read your opponent. All you can do is notice betting patterns and with 95% of online players being donkeys, those are hard to follow. In live games, most players have involuntary physical characteristics that are easy to read. Online, overbettin is everywhere, tards push 1500 to a 45 pot, at the river and turn all the time. Post flop or post turn, usually means they are chasing or are holding middle pair. But that all depends on the player. Bottomline, there is nothing you can do with donkeytards online.

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Old 12-29-2008, 05:14 PM
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i would say it is very tough to know for certain when ur are being bluff yes there are times where u r almost sure of it but then call to see u r beat i would say the best way to know if someone is bluffing is to not let it happen. You probably laugh and say you cant stop someone from bluffing but you r wrong the more aggressive you play the less likely someone will try and outplay you. Im not saying go all in on every hand but make sure u are not just checking everything or raising just the min. lets say theres $10 pot and your playing .50/1 nl you raised it 5 pre and he called from the sb he bets lets say $7 and you hit nothing are you gonna try and bluff him off or just cut your losses i know what i would do

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