Uiiiu

[LDJ]

In case anyone is wondering, here is the hand UIIIU was trashing me over.


Stage #2014208469 Tourney ID 4883594 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 200 - 2009-11-22 18:31:42 (ET)
Table: 2 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 1 - GRINDELVALD (3,472 in chips)
Seat 2 - R0N1N (610 in chips)
Seat 3 - LDJ (3,955 in chips)
Seat 4 - XUIIIUX (1,511 in chips)
Seat 5 - ZEDLEP (3,252 in chips)
Seat 6 - JSCOTT79 (3,903 in chips)
Seat 7 - TEEEUNIT (2,360 in chips)
Seat 8 - THERAINMAN (2,042 in chips)
Seat 9 - LEXNAT44471 (2,230 in chips)
XUIIIUX - Posts small blind 100
ZEDLEP - Posts big blind 200
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to LDJ [Jc 8c]
JSCOTT79 - Folds
TEEEUNIT - Folds
THERAINMAN - Folds
LEXNAT44471 - Folds
GRINDELVALD - Folds
R0N1N - Folds
LDJ - Calls 200
XUIIIUX - Calls 100
ZEDLEP - Checks
*** FLOP *** [7s Jd Kc]
XUIIIUX - All-In 1,311
ZEDLEP - Folds
LDJ - Calls 1,311
*** TURN *** [7s Jd Kc] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [7s Jd Kc 2c] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
LDJ - Shows [Jc 8c] (Flush, king high)
XUIIIUX - Shows [Jh 7c] (Two Pair, jacks and sevens)
LDJ Collects 3,222 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot(3,222)
Board [7s Jd Kc 2c 6c]
Seat 1: GRINDELVALD Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: R0N1N Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: LDJ (dealer) won Total (3,222) HI3,222) with Flush, king high [Jc 8c - B:Kc,P:Jc,P:8c,B:6c,B:2c]
Seat 4: XUIIIUX (small blind) HI:lost with Two Pair, jacks and sevens [Jh 7c - P:Jh,B:Jd,B:7s,P:7c,B:Kc]
Seat 5: ZEDLEP (big blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 6: JSCOTT79 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: TEEEUNIT Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: THERAINMAN Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: LEXNAT44471 Folded on the POCKET CARDS


In a nutshell, I had him dominated preflop.. he outflopped me and I redrew. Best hand in, best hand out.

For deeper analysis. I called with a suited 3 gapper, he decided to call the BB with an unsuited 4 gapper.

UIIIU shoves postflop and I cant put him on a K with the way he has been playing. Nor can I put him on a big ace. I knew there was a chance he had a J but obviously with 2 Js burned already that was less likely.

So I put him on a pair of 7s or some sort of a gutshot draw.

I took some time making my call, and I checked the lobby out as well and saw that if I made the call and lost the hand I would still be around 9th place and have a real good shot at the final table anyways.


Just before I would have timed out I made the call and saw that although I had UIIIU drawing thin preflop he had sucked out on me... then I evened the score by sucking out on him.

Just one more hand of poker for me, win lose or draw. Didnt really matter much either way, and even if I lost the hand I most likely still would have final tabled.

[JenniferNL]

I don't think he was really trashing you as much as the site and was on a rant. UIIIIU has been on a bad run at AP/UB. So I am here to say group hug

[UIIIU]

lol i love how its a suck out when you see a flop from the small blind in an unraised pot really LDJ your unbelievable. Maybe next time try putting your money in the pot when you are somewhere close to leading the hand. As far as bashing you as a player I cant do that because i have seem you play good but this was a horrible play and i will say it to the grave. Oh and a 7 with a gutshot really that was your thought process i will post every hand for my last 5 yrs and I would love for ya to pick out a gutshot i shoved with.

[LDJ]

Suckouts have nothing to do with whether you were in the blind or on the button.

Preflop I was 72.74% to win or chop and you happened to hit the other 27.26%.... thats a suckout. When you have less than 2 in 7 chance of winning a hand and you hit the miracle flop.

If I were in your shoes would I have shoved? Yeah for sure. I hate flopping bottom 2 as I lose so often in that spot but you really didnt have any other option.

As for the rest of it... yeah I make bad calls. It happens every day; however this wasnt one of them. This was a calculated risk, where I weighed the potential downside and decided I could play my way out of the hole if I lost the hand.


ps: Your hand histories dont matter. I was working with the info I had and thought you shoving on 77 or a gutshot was a possibility.

[LDJ]

You should have seen the bad call I made in the weekend 420 today. Now there was a crap decision...

[kardmania]

I have to admit until tonight I saw a ton of what i call made for tv flops on AP. I was starting to think taht something was wrong. Today I played some on poker stars and I saw more double turn 3 outer river 2 outers in a few hours than I should see in a month of play.

It was so sick I was thinking this is lotto.

Anyway, the only real lesson is that you just never know for sure do you?

[UIIIU]

i know i was dominated pre but calling 100 from sb with that hand was not the wrong move really come on just do the odds out for one second pre flop i was getting 5 to 1 on the hundred dollar call and against 2 other random opponents i was around 2.5 to 1 to win which is well above the odds needed to justify the call. Now post flop I dont see how you could put me on a draw pushing with 2 other opponents in the pot and the odds u were getting i calculated wrong before when i looked at it at first glance i said u were 15 to 1 but u were really 11 to 1 cause i forgot about the 3 kings you could have gotten and forgot to - 1 to convert but even so u were 11 to 1 to win and with the 1300 bet u were getting 1.5 to 1 on your money which is rediculous. Also to say it wasnt much risk to you 1300 was a third of your chips and im sorry i would consider it a hit if im dropping a third of my chips and only being left with around 10x the bb and ya your closer with the 3 to 1 pro i didnt take into consideration that he had the turn and river to make his hand, but im still getting like 4 to 1 unless i am missing outs which is definitely possible but either way its still not gonna make that play profitable

[1proangler]

preflop the J/8 vs the j/7 is about a 3 to 1 favorite (59% vs 21%)with around a 20% chance of choping but i find this irrelevant because it was blinds and a button limping, when the money went in UIIIU was about a 3 to 1 (68% vs 23%)favorite with still around a 9% chance of choping. UIIU pushed 1,311 chips into a 600 pot making the pot total 1,911 and the action on LDJ was a 1,311 call for a 1,911 pot giving him about 1.45 to 1 pot odds to make the call being a 3 to 1 dog. I personally have no opinions on this hand but I have learned making calls a 3 to 1 dog getting 1.45 to 1 on your money is not a profitable call in poker or any gambling situation.

[Grindelvald]

I would have to agree with Pro on the basic math of this hand however I dont agree or disagree about the arguement between UIIIU and LDJ. Lets face it we ALL have made good plays and bad plays (and some very bad plays lol) Things like this happen to me alot and I feel your pain UIIIU I really do. I even freak out from time to time LMAO. But cards are cards and you win some and lose some. Friendships are more valuable and once you lose one its hard to win back.

[1proangler]

100% agree G.